I would like to apologize for some mistakes I have made. First, I want to apologize for the war in Iraq. I do not believe that the United States should have attacked Iraq. I cannot understand all of the pain and suffering that my county – a country that is supposed to be a Christian country but is not – has caused so many innocent people in Iraq. I want you to know that not everyone in the United States believes that the war was necessary. I do not know where you are from but I know that Iraq is largely a Muslim people and I wish that we would never have entered a Muslim county uninvited. – Please forgive us.

Next, I would like to apologize for misspelling Allah. I know that Allah is probably the most important part of your life. – Please forgive me.

I also want to apologize for suggesting that Allah is not righteous. I do not know enough about your faith to come to that conclusion. – Please forgive me.

I hope that we can continue to talk about the Bible and Christianity in an open and loving way.

Concerning Jesus and children, again you give your own theory. Jesus never said about children trusting their parents but he said clearly that you must be like a child ( and specified one child among them) to achieve heaven. How he used a child in which is a sinner as you said as a standard?

Finally dont compare God rules and human rules. Humans will punish But God if you ask forgiveness will forgive as long as you are sincere.

I kindly invite you to debate this issue as ” Forgiveness: by Christ or Repentance? In my paltalk room,,we can scedule the format.

Wine – I have given my response. If you only look at half of the verses, you can argue your point. But as I said before, you should look at everything God says about wine, not just half of what He says.

Romans 3:10 – “none righteous” means “all are sinners”. If you are righteous, you are NOT a sinner. If you are not righteous, then you ARE a sinner. If there are “none righteous” it means “all are sinners”.

Ezekiel 18:4-9 – You are correct. If you do everything in those verses you are righteous. The problem is that no one has ever been able to keep all of those commandments. Not one person who has ever lived has been able to do it – except Jesus. How about you? Do you keep all of the commandments? Have you kept them every day of your life? Have you ever broken one of them? If you have EVER broken ONE of them, then verse 4 applies to you – The soul that sins shall die.

Gen 7:1 – Noah was righteous because of his FAITH – not because he was a good person. (He got drunk)

Gen 15:6 – Abraham was righteous because of his FAITH – not because he was a good person. (He lied about his wife to save his own life)

Mat 5:10 – They are persecuted for their FAITH – not because they are good people.

Mat 5:20 – The scribes and Pharisees are NOT righteous because they do NOT have faith – That is why they do NOT enter the kingdom of heaven.

You say, “There are plenty of verses that speak about righteous people”. You are correct. But if you are willing to study each person, you will find that ALL of them are righteous because of FAITH – not because they were good people. That is why the Bible says, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him form the dead, you will be saved.” – because salvation is only by faith – not by being good.

Ahmed, if you earn a place in heaven by being good, then God OWES you heaven. That means that God is in DEBT to you – He owes you Heaven. But God will NEVER be a debtor to any man. That is why the Bibles says,

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

If you can work your way to heaven by being good then you can boast that you are better than everyone. But God hates boasting. God will not allow you to boast and He will NOT be your debtor. You CANNOT make God owe you anything. You cannot make God owe you heaven.

Mat 18:1-4 – When Jesus taught us to become like little children He is NOT saying that little children do not sin, He is saying that little children TRUST their parents. They have FAITH in their father to provide for all of their food and love and clothing. Jesus is teaching that we should have faith in God and trust Him to provide all of our needs for food and clothing and love. We are to have FAITH in God just like a little child has faith in their father and mother.

When a small child takes a toy and hits their younger brother with it, did they have to be taught to do that? Do you have to teach your children to lie? They do these things thet are BORN with a SIN nature. That is why they lie and hit and scream even when they are very young.

Suppose that I murder someone. Do you think that I should be punished in jail or executed? Suppose I am very repentant and I promise that I will never murder again. Should I be set free from jail because I am repentant?

How can Ala forgive sin just because you are repentant? That is not righteous. Sin must be punished even if we are sorry and repentant just like the murderer must be punished in jail even when he is repentant.

I am sorry that this response is so long. Maybe we could talk about one subject at a time instead of so many subjects at once.

God bless you Ahmed

“Awake, you drunkards, and weep; and howl, all you drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.” ( Joel 1:5)
So as you see the verse separate the drunkards from the DRINKERS(socially). Drunkards and Socially Drinkers are cut off from drinking it.
Also my friend you failed to explain why the Biblical God condemns and curse the wine, for example:
Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart. ( Hosea 4:11)
Why God equalize the wine with whoredom and says that take away the heart if it is good as you said? Don’t come up again and tell me that God implies the abuse of the wine here, sorry but it is not mentioned, the text clearly and simple says only wine. Again were told:
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. (Proverbs 20:1)
Here the verse states that wine is a mocker and it is distinguished from strong drink. How in the light of these verses you say that wine is a good? If you come up with biblical verses and support that the wine is good and blessed thing then you only promote the contradiction as I posted to you the opposite view. Therefore it is clear that we have an inconsistency for the issue of wine.

Thanks a lot my friend that you want to share the gospel with me. But allow me to criticize the verses that you posted in order to share the gospel. Concerning Romans 3:10 says about “righteousness” not “sin”.

Furthermore you misquote the verse of Ezekiel 18:4 and you take it out of context here is the context in which disproves what you said:

4. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
5. But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
6. And has not eaten on the mountains, neither has lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither has defiled his neighbor’s wife, neither has come near to a menstruous woman,
7. And has not oppressed any, but has restored to the debtor his pledge, has spoiled none by violence, has given his bread to the hungry, and has covered the naked with a garment;
8. He that has not given forth on usury, neither has taken any increase, that has withdrawn his hand from iniquity, has executed true judgment between man and man,
9. Has walked in my statutes, and has kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, said the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 18: 4-9)

As you see my friend you brought up another contradiction. God says here that if he is just, then he will surely live. Keep in mind that Ezekiel contradicts the verse Romans 3:10 in which Paul says that no one is righteous, but God says there are righteous. For example:

And the LORD said to Noah, Come you and all your house into the ark; for you have I seen righteous before me in this generation.(Genesis 7:1)

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.( Genesis 15:6)

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:10)

For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.(Matthew 5:20)

There are plenty of verse that speaks about righteousness people. It is obvious my friend that Paul contradicts God and Jesus. Jesus never taught original sin as you claim (that we are sinners from the fault of Adam)

At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven ( Matthew 18:1-4)

So as you can see my friend Jesus refutes original sin because he said that we must be like children in order to achieve heaven. Think about it, why he use as a standar a sinner? As you said we borned with original sin.

In Islam you get salvation by repenting sincere to God if you comited a sin or mistake. And worship Him Alone without accociate any partners with Him. In Islam we dont have original and inherited sin. Why carrying a sin that you dont have expernienced?